Xejn wrote:.

Which DSLRs (around upper-entery to prosumer level) have lenses withApeture rings?.

Most lenses don't have aperture rings. No need, as you can have a wheel right under your index finger or thumb..

I was considering a D40x or D80 and was told these do not work withthe aperture ring on the lens..

The d80 has two wheels, which allows you to control shutter (rear wheel, thumb) and aperture (front wheel, index finger) with your right hand, freeing your left hand to work the zoom ring and support the camera..

I know the Panny L1 can work with lenses with the an aperture ring..

There's one or two lenses that have a electronic aperture ring. They seem to be going away from that design, if the recently-introduced lenses are any indication..

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Xejn wrote:.

Which DSLRs (around upper-entery to prosumer level) have lenses withApeture rings?.

I was considering a D40x or D80 and was told these do not work withthe aperture ring on the lens..

If you are considering old lenses that have an apature ring then you'll probably find that not only do the cameras not sense the apature ring (requiring stop-down metering) they also require manual focus..

I know the Panny L1 can work with lenses with the an aperture ring..

Yes, the L1 and the new L10 will work with new Panny lenses that have an apature ring as well as lenses that don't have an apature ring. Old apature ring lenses will still require stop-down metering and manual focus.But, why would that be a requirement for you? Is this what you really want?.

Thanks,Michael.

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LM1 wrote:.

I know the Panny L1 can work with lenses with the an aperture ring..

Yes, the L1 and the new L10 will work with new Panny lenses that havean apature ring as well as lenses that don't have an apature ring.Old apature ring lenses will still require stop-down metering andmanual focus..

But, why would that be a requirement for you? Is this what youreally want?.

Why wouldn't I want it?.

From a usability and ergonomics perspective, I find an aperture ring much better than a thumb wheelalbeit that the thumb-wheel allows for finer levels of adjustment. I also like dedicated manual controls and beleive that the designers of todays cameras a missing the boat when they toss out the positioning of controls from manual cameras and replace them haphazardly with thumb-wheels, buttons, menus and joysticks. But hey, that's me..

Michael..

Xejn wrote:.

From a usability and ergonomics perspective, I find an aperture ringmuch better than a thumb wheel.

You realize that the aperture ring was placed where it was for mechanical convenience, not for ergonomical reasons. Modern SLRs have electronic actuated aperture and shutter, allowing these controls to be placed ergonomically, disconnected from mechanical limitations..

I also like dedicated manual controls andbeleive that the designers of todays cameras a missing the boat whenthey toss out the positioning of controls from manual cameras andreplace them haphazardly with thumb-wheels, buttons, menus andjoysticks..

You've got it completely backwards. Old aperture, shutter speed and release controls were place haphazardly, in ergonomic terms. Their location was dictated by the position of the mechanical parts that did the work. Newer controls are placed ergonomically. If one camera doesn't fit you hand well, try a different one. There's more than one way to layout controls, every manufacturer is a bit different..

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Nickleback wrote:.

You've got it completely backwards. Old aperture, shutter speed andrelease controls were place haphazardly, in ergonomic terms. Theirlocation was dictated by the position of the mechanical parts thatdid the work. Newer controls are placed ergonomically. If onecamera doesn't fit you hand well, try a different one. There's morethan one way to layout controls, every manufacturer is a bitdifferent..

Perhaps I do, but I still find an apeture ring as the better solution as it allows me to make use both hands..

Call me crazy, but I find 70-80's era SLRs more ergonomic than today's DSLRs. I'm not even a fan of the hand grips on modern DSLRsI find wrapping the srap around your right hand forms a perfect bond with the camera body on earlier cameras..

Michael..

Roseb wrote:.

May I ask you a question?.

Huh? me? sure...

I have a Nikon D50. The two Tokina lenses and the one Tamron lens all have the settings on the aperture ring. However, if the aperture is not set to it's highest, the camera returns an error.My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com.

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Your left hand should be on the zoom ring. The aperture ring is too close to the body for ideal stability..

With most Nikons, your right hand controls both aperture and shutter. A wheel under your thumb for one, one under your middle finger for the other. Index finger on shutter. Left hand for focus and zoom. Works pretty well...