Missy123 wrote:.

I just uploaded my first few photos from my Canon 350D onto mycomputer. I went into the "Digital Photo Professional" and edited thebrightness, contrast, etc. but I don't know how to crop. I also needto make the pictures smaller as I took the photos using 8 mp withoutrealizing..

I cannot help you with how to crop on what I presume is a Canon program which came with the camera. Check out the Help facility in the program..

Why would you want to "make the picture smaller"? There are very few situations in which you would not use the full resolution of the camera (Otherewise you might as well buy a cheaper one). Do you mean you want a smaller file size (i.e a higher level of jpeg compression)..

Are you talking about scaling the photo for printing? If so forget about it. Get yourself a program called Qimage then you will have no need for it..

If you are wanting to reduce the image size to upload to an online storage site you may be able to do that with Digital Photo Professional. If not you can certainly do it with Qimage. (But why not use a site where you can upload the original?).

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

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I use a free program called IrfanView to do both. http://www.irfanview.com.

You can click-and-drag to create a rectangle (and move the sides in and out as necessary), move that rectangle around, then crop to what's inside the rectangle..

IrfanView has a couple of options for resizingthe best is resampling using the Lanczos algorithm. There are several preset sizes for resampling, or you can specify what size you want.Also, when you "save as" a .jpg, you can vary the compression used..

It's not a replacement for Photoshop, but for cropping, resizing, and tweaking stuff like contrast, brightness, and gamma, it's fine...

Why would you want to "make the picture smaller"? There are very few situations in which you would not use the full resolution of the camera (Otherewise you might as well buy a cheaper one). Do you mean you want a smaller file size (i.e a higher level of jpeg compression)..

I just want to compress it to send in an email...

Missy123 wrote:.

Why would you want to "make the picture smaller"? There are very fewsituations in which you would not use the full resolution of thecamera (Otherewise you might as well buy a cheaper one). Do you meanyou want a smaller file size (i.e a higher level of jpeg compression)..

I just want to compress it to send in an email..

Right now I understand..

If you are both on broadband there will be little problem sending the original. I have done it many times..

But there is a better way to do it. Get an online photo account as many of us here have done. You upload the photos to your photo site and then just send the URL to that photo in an email..

There are lots of free photo sites but the better ones charge an annual fee like $25. All of them have a free trial period of around 14 days..

Why don't you try a free trial account with Zenfolio (http://www.Zenfolio.com ) which is what I use. Take a look a my photos (URL below) then try the free trial if you want..

But to send one or two photos just send the full photo file by email unless you or the person you are sending it to are only on a dialup connection..

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Telyx wrote:.

I use a free program called IrfanView to do both. http://www.irfanview.com.

I'll second that and wonder if I might make a point: using the makers software means you are always re-learning whenever the camera is changed and what a waste of time that is..

Better to have a simple viewer (lots a good free stuff out there) and an editor; there's a few good free ones about. That way you don't have to start the learning process again and again and again..

Regards, David..

A brief note to say :.

(1) Alway shoot at 8Mp best quality, you can resize them later, but you should always start with the best quality...

(2) "Scale" and "Resample" are also terms for resize, meaning to change the resolution of the image. Say you start with a 3000x2000 image and you want a 1500x1000 image, then you are resizing. Resizing tries to keep the whole image in a different resolution file..

(3) "Cropping" is to physically remove part of the image. Naturally the new size is whatever the remaining part is..

(4) Printing resolution is different from image resolution. You normally specify the physical size you want to print at ( say 8x10 or 6x4 inches ). In this case you don't need to know about print resolution as it's handled for you. In a few cases you may specify print resolution, and this is normally 300dpi ( high quality print ) and is set lower for larger prints. Most people will not see well enough to see problems at 150dpi, never mind 300dpi..

(4) Have a look at The Gimp ( gimp.org ) and Cinepaint ( cinepaint.org ) for good free image processing software..

StephenG.

Fuji S9600Fuji S5200Fuji F30Fuji E900Canon A710ISPCLinuxOS..

And I'll second your post. That's also why I bought a card reader and use it to transfer photos to my PC, instead of using the cable and software that come with cameras, and have done that since I had a Kodak DC3200. You don't have to load new drivers and learn new software that way if you change camera brandsjust whip the card into the reader and copy the pictures over, just like always, and open the pictures in the same program...

Some of us are still on dial-up, unfortunately. Linking to pictures stored on a site is OK unless the pictures are big, in which case it isn't any different from sending the full-size pictures in an e-mailit's still going to take a while for each picture to load...

Missy123 wrote:.

I just uploaded my first few photos from my Canon 350D onto mycomputer. I went into the "Digital Photo Professional" and edited thebrightness, contrast, etc. but I don't know how to crop. I also needto make the pictures smaller as I took the photos using 8 mp withoutrealizing..

Yep, we don't know how to crop (or anything else) using DPP, as nobody uses software that comes with cameras. Sorry..

I'll second or third the suggestion to ALWAYS shoot pix at full rez, then process them on your PC to meet your needs. Always SAVE the original...don't write over it!.

My standard software is Lightroom + Photoshop Elements 5.0, but I have and do use other freeware. I suggest you look at:.

Faststone Image ViewerPicassa.

These are free and quite good. Google to find out about them..

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I think Picasa would do exactly what you want, in a very user friendly way..

You can select an image ( or a few) and click Email, and Picasa will automatically resize it for you ( you can set the size you want, once, and then leave it).

It sends a smaller, compressed picture, without changing the original. And the recipient gets a perfectly fine, sharp, vibrant looking picture..

Definately worth a try....you can always uninstall it if you don't like it..

Glenn.

Image control:Zoom outZoom 100%Zoom inExpand AllOpen in new window..

I'm shaking my head... you ask a perfectly reasonable question, and get misled..

Anyway....

Can we assume that since you bought a relly good camera, you are willing to invest some time and money in post-processing your shots, making them better by usingyour computer?.

I can't rememberwhat software camera with my Rebel XT (same as your camera).

Instead, I use Adobe Photoshop Elements, which costs about $100 in Canada..

With Elements, you transfer you original image to Elements an easy process involving a couple of mouse clicks..

Then, you can save and rename your image, so the original is protected..

With the "New" image, you can go to a command that looks like two interescting L-shapes, Pull this over your picture, and you can manipulate the sizes of the top/bottom, and left/right sides. Just grab the corners and tug, to cut off, say, the tree on the side..

Double click on the image, and you've cropped off the bad stuff..

To save the image for web viewing, so that it leoads quickly and does not take up a lot of hard drive space, there's a "Save for web" command that automatically compresses the files. You can see botht he original and compressed version at the same time, and vary the compression level, so you can check quality..

After that, to make the picture fit the screen you are snding it to, there's a resize command just type in one dimension and the other is automatically done for you. For instance, you might want the picture 750 pixels wide to fit most of a screen. Type in 750 and click, and that's the size of your image..

Now it is cropped, compressed, and resized to fit the screen of the person who gets it..

Lots of other software works similarly, but Photoshop Elements is very good, and there are lots of books about how to use it..

BAK..

BAK wrote:.

I'm shaking my head... you ask a perfectly reasonable question, andget misled..

If you are going to be patronizing I think you should be a little more knowledgeable. Other than perhaps Telyx not understanding PTP I see no misinformation on the thread. There are different opinions about whether to reduce the size of a photo for email, but generally well thought out advice..

Ive used Photoshop for over ten years since version 3 and consider myself reasonably competent. For the simple job of cropping and sizing a photo I would use Irfanview. By the time Photoshop and Bridge loaded I would have the job finished. Irfanview is especially good for fast bulk processing. I presume some of the other simple utilities would work well too..

Where advanced image editors are superior is for cropping to a pre-determined ratio like 3:2 or 4:3. Irfanview will do that but it is a little busier than using a good image editor like Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. Another reason for using an advanced editor would be if you planned on doing advanced editing or shot raw. Of course your example didnt involve either of these..

You might familiarize yourself with programs like Irfanview before shaking your head and thinking everyone else doesnt know what they are talking about...

Re>I see no misinformation on the thread.<.

OH. Well, not to be patronizing or anything, but you might look more carefully..

I note you did not answer her question just whined about me..

BAK..

I'm afraid I agree with BAK. Until the suggestion to use Irfanview (a good suggestion) there was not a lot of help offered to the OP..

Questions like "why do you want an 8 meg camera and then want to resize" aren't very helpful.....

Missy123, whether you use Paintshop, Photoshop, the Gimp or any other photoediting software, you should be able to find some help on cropping and resizing in the product's help...

There's two sides to this, and it was complicated as the third post didn't show the usual quotes..

The problem as I see it is that Missy123 (I hope I've remembered that correctly) asked how to use a piece of software that only a Canon user would know about and which, for all I know, might just be one of several of Canon's offerings. So we have to give a vague answer..

Experience of this forum and my hobby tells me that every camera comes with a different piece of software and, if you've an old camera and a new one from the same maker, then you might have two completely different versions of it. At present I can use the old, the new and the "pro" version of one makers' s/w, something else completely from Fuji and one of the PS clan that came with another camera..

They are all different but do more or less the same things. Alas, they call the same thing several different names and the "Options" button gets you into a further maze and muddle. So chances of answering the question are few, even though we all know what is wanted, ie a resize and recompression. An example, on some software the compression runs from "Hi" to "Lo", others from 1 to 10, or 10 to 1, or 1 to 100 or 100 to 1 and so on. With popular s/w we know where we are..

So it was suggested that one or two of the mainstream pieces of software was used, which will work with the current camera, and it's replacement and the next replacement and so on. Moreover, a lot more people use it and can answer questions..

There are other snags to makers' s/w (I don't mean Canon as I've not used it). A lot require the camera to be plugged into the USB socket and, of course, that drains the battery or, worse still, a flat battery means a 2 hour wait to charge it before the pictures can be seen. So I would recommend using a card reader (powered by the computer) and free software (or even Windows "Exploprer") to download the pictures. This gives you total control over the downloads and where they are stored etc..

Just my 2d worth to point out that a lot of peple were trying to help and looking ahead as they did so. Is that so bad?.

Regards, David..

Tony Sx wrote:.

I'm afraid I agree with BAK. Until the suggestion to use Irfanview (agood suggestion) there was not a lot of help offered to the OP..

Questions like "why do you want an 8 meg camera and then want toresize" aren't very helpful.....

Her request was in two parts:.

1. "I also need to make the pictures smaller as I took the photos using 8 mp without realizing." and NOT your misquoted words. (If you are going to criticise the efforts of others please be accurate.) Her words are capabale of two interpretations. Only when I ask a question of the OP do we get the answer that allows the question to be answered..

2. "I just uploaded my first few photos from my Canon 350D onto my computer. I went into the "Digital Photo Professional" and edited the brightness, contrast, etc. but I don't know how to crop.".

I shoot Nikon. I presume Digiatal Photo Professional is a Canon program that comes with the camera. I told her when replying to her first post that I was not familiar with the program and thus could tell her how to use it..

Next she replies explaining:.

"I just want to compress it to send in an email".

Now I cannot help with how to do that with Digital Photo Professional. I have told her so. I do not have a clue whether the program can perform such a function let alone how to do it. I have no idea how urgent it is to her to send the email. (She has been very economical in her reply) So I make alternative suggestions. How is that misleading?.

Then later we get BAK's "helpful" intervention:.

"I'm shaking my head... you ask a perfectly reasonable question, and get misled.....".

If it is a perfectly reasonable question why didn't he just get on and answer it? NOBODY has told her how to do what she wants to do in the program she has - Digital Photo Professional!!! For that matter NOBODY has made the suggestion that she try the Canon forum either..

Finally the suggestion to use Irfanview came in the 2nd post and before she answerd my question. So there was no procrastination or misleading by way of answer unless you think I should answer a question I do not understand speculating as to the true nature of the question..

By way of a side issue I like to be helpful but am getting a little tired of answering questions where the OP posts one line which ill defines their true question leaving those who reply to speculate and list alternatives typing many lines by way of reply..

Such posts often could be answered by the OP for themselves with a minimal amount of research..

I should stress that I am not having a go at you Missy123. You had given it a go with the software and my experience of software Help files tells me they can be very unhelpful. I have in mind in particular people who cannot be bothered to read their camera manual and ask questions only marginally more complex than "How do I turn it on?"!!.

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Missy123 wrote:.

Why would you want to "make the picture smaller"? There are very fewsituations in which you would not use the full resolution of thecamera (Otherewise you might as well buy a cheaper one). Do you meanyou want a smaller file size (i.e a higher level of jpeg compression)..

I just want to compress it to send in an email..

Right click on the imageselect SEND TOthen MAIL RECIPIENT.

A dialogue window will open on the upper left of your screen, it says.

Windows can resize the pictures you send in email so they can transfer faster.......

There are two options presentedselect MAKE ALL MY PICTURES SMALLER.

Then an email will appear with a small version of the image attached with the text"The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:"the cursor in position to enter the recipients email address.

Riley.

I like to think the bs can never be higher than the ah..

Missy123 wrote:.

I just uploaded my first few photos from my Canon 350D onto mycomputer. I went into the "Digital Photo Professional" and edited thebrightness, contrast, etc. but I don't know how to crop. I also needto make the pictures smaller as I took the photos using 8 mp withoutrealizing..

.....I still do batch resizing of jpeg's with zoombrowserEX as it works perfectly OK for that..

....Cropping is a different matter though. After trying several different applications over a period of at least three years including some of the ones mentioned in this thread, I've been very happy for several months now with http://ekot.dk/programmer/JPEGCrops/.

.....It's a lossless application that is fast and very user friendly. And it's a free download...

Rriley wrote:.

Right click on the imageselect SEND TOthen MAIL RECIPIENT.

A dialogue window will open on the upper left of your screen, it saysWindows can resize the pictures you send in email so they cantransfer faster.......

There are two options presentedselect MAKE ALL MY PICTURES SMALLER.

Then an email will appear with a small version of the image attachedwith the text"The message is ready to be sent with the following file or linkattachments:"the cursor in position to enter the recipients email address.

Riley,.

Now I have learned something! How long has that trick been available? Is it new to IE7?.

I have been on broadband so long (approaching 10 years) that I rarely compress photos to email them..

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Tim in upstate NY wrote:.

...After trying severaldifferent applications over a period of at least three yearsincluding some of the ones mentioned in this thread, I've been veryhappy for several months now with http://ekot.dk/programmer/JPEGCrops/.

.....It's a lossless application that is fast and very user friendly.And it's a free download..

Hmmm... A "lossless" crop? That sounds both useless and trivial. .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Chuxter wrote:.

Tim in upstate NY wrote:.

...After trying severaldifferent applications over a period of at least three yearsincluding some of the ones mentioned in this thread, I've been veryhappy for several months now with http://ekot.dk/programmer/JPEGCrops/.

.....It's a lossless application that is fast and very user friendly.And it's a free download..

Hmmm... A "lossless" crop? That sounds both useless and trivial. .

....Quoting from the DPR glossary page on JPEG's: "If you save for instance an image in JPEG, close it, open it again and save it again in JPEG with the same quality setting, the file size will not reduce further, but quality will have degraded further".

....A lossless application can open/close a JPEG file without degrading the image quality...

Tim in upstate NY wrote:.

Chuxter wrote:.

Tim in upstate NY wrote:.

...After trying severaldifferent applications over a period of at least three yearsincluding some of the ones mentioned in this thread, I've been veryhappy for several months now with http://ekot.dk/programmer/JPEGCrops/.

.....It's a lossless application that is fast and very user friendly.And it's a free download..

Hmmm... A "lossless" crop? That sounds both useless and trivial. .

....Quoting from the DPR glossary page on JPEG's: "If you save forinstance an image in JPEG, close it, open it again and save it againin JPEG with the same quality setting, the file size will not reducefurther, but quality will have degraded further".

....A lossless application can open/close a JPEG file withoutdegrading the image quality..

Perhaps. But if the application ALSO crops the pic, any perceived benefits of a "lossless application" will be defeated. There is no way to make even trivial edits to a picture and save it w/o a difference in the two files. Duh!.

AFAIK, the only operation that can be performed w/o affecting the IQ is rotation in increments of 90 degrees..

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