1. Kid photography requires good high ISO performance from camera. 12MP on such small sensor (W200) will result in noisy images. And cropping will make that noise to jump out (amplified)..
2. croppability is also a function of lens quality and image processing. I would advise you to go for SD800IS as it has wide-angle too (good for landscapes etc.)..
Susannek wrote:.
Hi,I love Canon and am thinking of the Canon Powershot SD800 IS.I am a mom of 3 small kids who loves taking pictures of them, nature,landscapes, and sports. I'm pretty sure I want image stablization, andwas told to go with higher MP since I crop most of my photos toenlarge a favorite face, etc. Then someone advised me to considerthe Sony Cybershot DSCW200 with 12 MP and 'double' image stablization.I wonder if that is too many MP? Can anyone advise on what might bestsuit me? Thanks millions.......I'm so overwhelmed with choices!!!!.
Susanne.
Regards, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..
What do you want for output? If you just want to display the images onscreen or make small 4 X 6 prints you will do fine with 7Mp. If you want to crop extensively and then make a large print of the crop you will do better with more pixels..
If all things were equal more pixels would always be better. But with the small sensors in non-DSLR cameras you usually pay a noise penalty and dont always get the full resolution increase you would expect..
The W200 uses a 1/1.7 sensor which is larger than the sensor in the SD800, so the pixel density isnt off the wall terrible. And Sony has done pretty well with their sensors. I would wait for a good review of the W200 if you want to consider it...
What you are saying is a little like going hunting with a machine gun. You're bound to hit something sooner or later, but it doesn't mean you are a good shot..
Just like the hunter, becoming a good shot with your camera will be of far greater benefit than happy snapping and hoping for a useful crop later..
If you can say that you are beyond that, and you know what you are after before you even take the pic, then you are already well on your way to good photography..
Try and compose within the viewfinder - think ahead, anticipate, and even more importanly, create. As you become more proficient at it, you'll also find that not only will your photos improve, but your personal sense of satisfaction will improve as well..
Equipment=======.
Tin Type camera - and I have the powder burns to prove it!..
On second thought, if you need to go up close (that is what I conclude from your need of cropping), consider buying a camera with more optical zoom. e.g. Ricoh R6 (ultra-compact) or Panasonic TZ3 (compact). That will give you much better results than cropped-out soft images. Both have wide-angle lens with image-stabilisation. A710IS is also good option..
Ajay0612 wrote:.
1. Kid photography requires good high ISO performance from camera.12MP on such small sensor (W200) will result in noisy images. Andcropping will make that noise to jump out (amplified).2. croppability is also a function of lens quality and imageprocessing. I would advise you to go for SD800IS as it haswide-angle too (good for landscapes etc.)..
Susannek wrote:.
Hi,I love Canon and am thinking of the Canon Powershot SD800 IS.I am a mom of 3 small kids who loves taking pictures of them, nature,landscapes, and sports. I'm pretty sure I want image stablization, andwas told to go with higher MP since I crop most of my photos toenlarge a favorite face, etc. Then someone advised me to considerthe Sony Cybershot DSCW200 with 12 MP and 'double' image stablization.I wonder if that is too many MP? Can anyone advise on what might bestsuit me? Thanks millions.......I'm so overwhelmed with choices!!!!.
Susanne.
Regards, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612.
Regards, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..
Thanks for your wisdom! I should've also said that I'm quite good andcreative with my subjects and composition. The problem for me is thatwith three young children, I have to take more candids as they don't sitwell yet and 'pose' for portraiture. So, I often have many failed attemptsat capturing all their faces looking at me at the same time. I end upgoing through my hundreds of shots to salvage the good ones and thatoften involves some editing and cropping. Often, one child will look so.
Terrific that I want to cut 'her' out and save! I hope that clarifies what I mean by cropping alot of my photos!!!!!!.
Thanks again,Susanne..
Hi Susanne,.
In all fairness, you may want to consider the new Canon S5 IS for several reasons..
First, the actual number of pixels in these comparisons are far less important than image quality. Twelve megapixels in a relatively tiny senor is not only overkill it's very likely to cause excessive noise and poor higher ISO performance. To compensate for the noise issues and still get usable higher ISO the manufacturers use strong noise suppression which kill resolution and result in smeared and less than optimal images so the net effect is less quality than lower "resolution" ratings in megapixels which shoot cleaner and need far less noise suppression..
Second, the S5 IS has a hot shoe for an external flash. The little built-in flash units in these small cameras have severe limitations in terms of getting decent indoor images in marginal light from any greater than about 8 feet. Regardless of their "ratings" they just don't perform. I have over 30 digital cameras ranging from professional dSLR's to prosumer and consumer models and this is my experience. The hot shoe will let you use an external flash if you find it necessary. Without it, you are stuck with what you have..
Third, the S5 IS has an extended zoom so when your kids are outside you don't have to be on top of them to get great shots. A zoom of about 35mm to over 400mm can't be undervalued. It's also image stabilized which is very important for longer focal length images..
Finally, the movie mode on the S5 IS will be superb just as it is with the S2 and S3. The stabilization works beautifully and the S5 can be zoomed (not possible with most in movie mode) while you take movies. You simply move your thumb over about 3/4 inch, push a button and immediately you are taking beautiful VGA quality movies. See an opportunity for a fixed frame? Press the shutter release and get your shot without fussing with a menu or looking for a button which is hard to find..
Just some things to think about.....
Best regards,.
Lin.
Susannek wrote:.
Hi,I love Canon and am thinking of the Canon Powershot SD800 IS.I am a mom of 3 small kids who loves taking pictures of them, nature,landscapes, and sports. I'm pretty sure I want image stablization, andwas told to go with higher MP since I crop most of my photos toenlarge a favorite face, etc. Then someone advised me to considerthe Sony Cybershot DSCW200 with 12 MP and 'double' image stablization.I wonder if that is too many MP? Can anyone advise on what might bestsuit me? Thanks millions.......I'm so overwhelmed with choices!!!!.
Susanne..
Good points on the S5 but I would wait for a review on the camera before buying it. The S5 uses the same sensor as the Sony H9 which users and reviewers have had some issues with.terryhttp://tbanet.zenfolio.com/..
Ajay0612 wrote:.
1. Kid photography requires good high ISO performance from camera.12MP on such small sensor (W200) will result in noisy images. Andcropping will make that noise to jump out (amplified)..
Pixel density on the 800is is higher I believe. Higher pixel density = smaller photosites = tendency for more noise (in general)..
2. croppability is also a function of lens quality and imageprocessing. I would advise you to go for SD800IS as it haswide-angle too (good for landscapes etc.)..
Check the facts before you post - both cameras are 35mm equivalent with the lens fully withdrawn. You certainly sound like you know what you're talking about, why are you trying to mislead people?..
Keberts wrote:.
Check the facts before you post - both cameras are 35mm equivalentwith the lens fully withdrawn. You certainly sound like you knowwhat you're talking about, why are you trying to mislead people?.
Actually, the problem is you are probably talking about different cameras and the different SD vs. Ixus numbering. In the US I believe the SD800 is 28mm..
Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_sd800is.aspterryhttp://tbanet.zenfolio.com/..
TEBnewyork wrote:.
Actually, the problem is you are probably talking about differentcameras and the different SD vs. Ixus numbering. In the US Ibelieve the SD800 is 28mm..
Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_sd800is.aspterryhttp://tbanet.zenfolio.com/.
Thanks, I stand corrected. Was not aware of the two different models...
Might as well add my expeirence with the W200 now that I have a little time..
Double image stabilization is kind of misleading, it has high ISO modes combined with standard image stabilization. High ISO is pretty good on this camera IMO. The overall image quality is just OK, not really an advantage over a good 7-8MP camera, but it can be cropped into with good results especially with well lit scenes. Be forewarned, there appears to be a softness on the right side of the image that a lot of users (including myself) have noted (most noticable in landscapes). Affects the right ~5-10% of the image..
Whay did I buy it? It's a very small camera with excellent build quality and a fully manual mode (aperture and shutter - up to 30 seconds!) - that's it! All of that combined is hard to come by. Also, if you happen to own an HDTV, you can display fantastic slideshows right out of the camera, complete with music. The image quality is stunning on my 46" widescreen. So, I'd really only buy this camera if you value the pocketability and interesting features I've mentioned above. Otherwise, stick with Canon!..
All other things being equal, " crop-ability" is proportional to Maximum_Zoom times the Square_Root of pixel count...
That's because the number of pixels on the size of a cropped image is proportional to the Square_Root of pixel count...